Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. LA-Mets His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Randy Tate Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Pitchingwise, he made Hank Webb look like Tom Seaver. April 27, 2013 All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. September 25, 2013 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Dianna Jeanneh Jones He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. August 7, 2018 December 20, 2019 As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. November 12, 2006 170 lbs.? I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. He later resurfaced with the Padres. (thankfully returning in '81). Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. October 2, 2005 As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. March 22, 2005 I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. End of Line body would be a pretty slender person. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Shari Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. senor ortiz I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. After two strong seasons, Lolich regressed in 1966. Mike B - Now for the trade itself. October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. July 15, 2016 I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. October 18, 2008 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. September 25, 2013 The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. April 27, 2013 Shickhaus Franks His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. snook I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. He later came back to play for the Padres. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. October 2, 2005 To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? support. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. May 7, 2013 Shickhaus Franks Raymond Malcuit Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! September 29, 2007 Raymond Malcuit NYB Buff October 4, 2005 ''But disaster hit the auto industry,'' Lolich said, ''and the first thing they cut was trinkets and trash advertising.''. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. LA-Mets Fact is Lolich was always overweight. That would make him a star in today's market. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. What an interesting parallel, huh? Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. October 19, 2011 Ken Akerman God bless him wherever he is and good luck! So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. May 6, 2003 His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. October 2, 2005 "Yeah, I know," says the ex-Sphinx, "a lot of people get a good chuckle out of that one. He toiled in the minor leagues for five years before the Detroit Tigers finally gave him a chance in 1963. Mr. Sparkle And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. John Bruce According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows: I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. May 7, 2013 September 25, 2013 I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. September 29, 2007 He started 45 games and completed 29. January 12, 2011 In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. November 19, 2002 Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. No contest. March 2, 2003 This has never happened before? As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Shickhaus Franks John Bruce Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! November 12, 2006 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. Jay An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. June 2, 2006 It just happens to be my own and I just happen to make doughnuts.''. May 9, 2002 body would be a pretty slender person. Logan Swanson He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Man, he was a big one. "I used to like to say, 'There are a lot of guys with good bellies and bad arms.' To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? October 4, 2006 How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. May 8, 2003 Michael The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. July 15, 2016 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. September 29, 2007 Shickhaus Franks I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. ''Everybody wants to meet you because you're a ballplayer,'' Lolich said. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. That's more realistic but generous, I think! Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. eddiek The Getty Images design is a trademark of Getty Images. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. November 3, 2006 (thankfully returning in '81). Assembly Island Militello's Bakery. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. September 25, 2013 But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. September 25, 2013 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. John Bruce The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! September 24, 2005 April 27, 2013 Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Baseball burnt him out. Really? I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Feat Fan support. July 15, 2016 Raymond Malcuit But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. Trains along this route picked up tonnage of wheat, beans, and sugar beets. bogeyman November 10, 2002 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. This happened because M. Donald Grant, usurper/dictator of the New York Mets, was personally annoyed by Rusty Staub. Mickey was featured riding his motorcyle. October 19, 2011 February 25, 2003 You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. May 8, 2003 March 5, 2006 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Donut Shoppe Patron Rusty loved New York and the Mets, and wanted to finish his career here. April 23, 2003 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. October 18, 2008 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Cut him some slack. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! September 24, 2005 But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Joe Figliola He had terrific stuff. He played in Major League Baseball as a pitcher from 1962 until 1979, most notably for the Detroit Tigers. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. That's more realistic but generous, I think! A total bust as a Met. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. You can't be serious. 170 lbs.? The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Shickhaus Franks I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Raymond Malcuit Raymond Malcuit Jr. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. October 4, 2005 eddiek He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Stu Baron The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. bob saunders Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. He spent a year with the Mets and his final two years with the Padres. April 6, 2012 Cut him some slack. 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